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TL;DR version: I appreciate Carl not being assertive in things he doesn't know about. He's definitely willing to learn things. 1) Context is King. The verse is authentic, but you can't just read it in isolation and in English; you cannot derive laws and morals from it this way. 2) Gender Equality is only in the Eyes of God Almighty insofar as how we are judged on the Day of Judgement. As for this life, let's just say no society in history, has ever been able to claim "Equality" in the literal manner.


I appreciate that Carl is hesitant to be so certain about a subject that he doesn't have expertise in. And while he does bring out goods points and "food for thought", I as a devout Muslim need to bring some things to the fore:

  1. CONTEXT IS KING. Just as we condemn corporate shills and the establishment for misquoting or framing the narrative (e.g. Russian Collusion, Democrat virus hoax, etc...), pulling out verses from the Quran (2:228) - while in and of themselves are in fact authentic - means very little if you are attempting to use them as fodder for arguments. There are some very basic baseline requirements for not only interpreting but extracting rulings and laws from the Quran, and they include: A) Only the Arabic version can be used, because the Quran was revealed to the Prophet (PBUH) in Arabic, and it is in fact passed down verbatim, to THIS DAY, from the Prophet (PBUH). Any translation of the Quran is officially called "The translation of the interpretation of the meanings of the Quran". The reason for this is quite obvious, namely that actual meaning is lost when words are translated from one language to another. B) The time and purpose of when this verse was revealed, coupled with the verses BEFORE AND AFTER, are essential for interpretation. No verse has ever interpreted in isolation, EVER.

  2. Gender Equality is, and at the same time is NOT an aspect of Islam. What do I mean by that? In the Eyes of God Almighty, we are all equal and on the day of Judgement no gender will be judged harsher or lesser based on their chromosomes (and this is shared with the common Christian ethos of "we are all created equal"). However, insofar as this worldly life is concerned, clearly we are not "equal", otherwise we would be all the same gender, race, ability, height and skill. That's a preposterous claim. And no civil and non-theistic society can claim this "equality" in any manner. And there is a specific verse in the Quran (I can't pull it out) where God Almighty warns, Men and Women, NOT to wish what God has bestowed upon the other gender, as it will lead to assured failure. This point is not up for debate or interpretation. It's been settled since the time of the Prophet (PBUH). And yes, a capable man with his faculties intact is the authority in his household over his wife and kids, but it also comes with the ultimate responsibility of feeding, clothing and educating those same people as well. And when I say "responsibility", I mean they will be held to account on the Day of Judgement for their failures in this regard.

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